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I don't entirely disagree -- but if the options are a Millar/Quitely title that might be late, or no Millar/Quitely title, any publisher would choose the former.


Late books don't make anyone look good, but I think it hurts Millar more than it does Image. Just look at this thread (and others like it)-- the mere mention of a "Millar book" sparks the discussion on late books, whereas that's not always the case with the mention of an "Image book". As you yourself said, you're holding it against Millar and not Image.


Just so I'm clear here, I'm not intending to defend Millar as much as I'm talking about the realities of independent comics (and trying to dismiss some of the drama-inciting mucky-muck being thrown by Mr. Wonderful). Millar's pretty hit-or-miss with me. But I'll pick up anything by Quitely.


Again, not defending Millar, but the same can be said about nearly everyone in the industry.


Again-- their options here are to publish books by creators literally thousands of readers are interested in-- or not.

And Mikey, my refusal to address your points stems from the fact that you seem to be incapable of following one of the board's only rules. If and when you are capable of having a civilized discussion, we can have one.

When you're insulting the members of the board, the creators and fans interested in the project, and Image for the crime of daring to take on such a project -- exclusively in the thread where people interested in the book are here to talk about it -- you sound like a troll. Which is why I and others jumped to the conclusion that perhaps you were. And it's why I said at the beginning, "Don't buy the books you don't want to buy." Leave others to enjoy the books they want to enjoy.

Lastly -- you keep bringing up specific details of Millar's deals that you couldn't possibly know unless you were present at the time. You may have heard Millar or Harris or a publisher speak publicly about one of these deals -- but once again, that's anecdotal, and can't be offered as evidence in an argument. Even if the numbers cited are correct, you're still talking about a situation where only those involved with the deal have all the information. I can't bring myself to make make emotionally charged sweeping generalizations based on partial/anecdotal information. I can't get that worked up over something when I don't know the whole story and all of the factors/details involved.

So for now, I'll just address this bit here:


I may have been mistaken about this, but I'd prefer not just going on your intuition alone. When I've heard Mark say his name, it's sounded like "Miller" to me. Perhaps I'm misremembering. A Google search reveals lots of pages saying "pronounced Miller" but I suppose they could be wrong.

I've not only heard Mark Millar pronounce his name like Miller but heard him comment that he found it interesting that Americans kept pronouncing it with an "a" sound.

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To the person who PM'd me; thanks but I seemingly can't reply privately via PM for some reason. As an active supporter of Image for twenty years I appreciate your points. I'd like to point out that I wasn't the one who started acting the bollix in thread but responded in kind after I was targetted, I won't respond to baiting in future.

In response to your PM firstly I feel that as an active Image supporter since it's it's debut I have the right to voice my opinion when I feel Image is doing something negative as I did repeatedly when I felt Image was doing something positive on this board's predecessors and across comic boards for many years.

I disagree with you in that I believe this can only hurt Image. Do many creators believe this book will actually ship? Image already has an unbelievable roster of 'new' A-List creators for 2012 with Brubaker, Phillips, Vaughn, Ross (this guy is so HUGE in the UK and Ireland it's unreal), Hitch et al that it doesn't need a guy who's never finished a series for Image (who hasn't built up the credits that someone like say Liefeld has) to say 'look at us'.

As a fan Image has sent out a signal that a creator doesn't have to honour his commitments to fans and retailers before Image will indulge his next venture. Someone similar like say again Liefeld (as an example) has a free pass as far as I'm concerned given his part taking a huge personal risk and setting up Image. Millar however has done nothing to build up credit with Image to counteract his prior screwing of it other than being a 'big name'. Which is unfair to all the other 'big name' creators who are working their asses off for Image and all the smaller ones doing the same.

Looking at the latest Milarworld books Millar has 'given' Image the book least likely to appear clearly giving the impression 'ICON' is the place to be. New Image friendly titles Supercrooks, Secret Service all seem to have work in the bag with reliable creators ditto Hitgirl. Nemesis 2 I'm not so sure about.

Millar can manage 1.5 books a month according to himself, excluding Jupiter's Children he's got at least 20 to produce this year (Millar NEVER stockpiles scripts) and that's without factoring in the details of a newborn kid to look after, his NEW production company and his tendencey to drop everything if he gets a whiff of Hollywood.

Nearly 2 years ago he announced he was directing 'Miracle Park', he got himself tons of domestic publicity used it's premiere to sell tickets to his new convention sought cvs from local talent and dozens of people personally contributed time and effort to the project in the expectation that the end result could be added to their CVs. Millar abandoned the project after 3 weeks of shooting never to return leaving dozens of people with nothing to show for their efforts. His reason? The slim possibility of a Supercrooks Hollywood flick concieved after work began on Miracle Park.

That's how Millar operates.

I believe promoting and supporting Millar without publishing the last 3 issues of War Heroes will benefit Image in the long term as much as Image United did. It just shows that if you're a big enough name you can screw Image to your hearts content and they'll still love you.


Says the guy who addressed me first under 2 different names, invented a background for me, introduced bodily orificess into the thread and dismisses facts and spreads BS (which "various Image Anthologies" has Millar contributed too again?) consistently to attack my points.


Or read Public interviews and posts where Millar discussed them.


You need to learn what 'anecdotal' means. All my info comes direct from the horses mouth first hand from publicly available interviews, posts and tweets that are still accessible if you bothered investigating what you were poting rather than making it up.



Larsen agrees with you, all I know is that when I met first hand (not anecdotedly) Millar over a drink with Grant Morrisson back in '93 (where I pimped Dragon as the best of the Image comics natch) he introduced himself as Mark Millarrr. It could be he's changed that personal detail about himself as he has others over the years.

Mikey

It is strange that Millar and Quietly are producing this book for Image and not Icon. But hey, why put all of your eggs in one basket?

I had heard that after Kick Ass got a movie and was a huge success, Marvel wanted a cut of that money. Now they couldn't get any from KickAss, but if Millar wanted to keep using Marvel Exclusive artist, they wanted a cut on any future property. Since Quitely Is not Marvel Exclusive, why go to Marvel and be forced to give them a share.

Marvel being dicks sounds like a good enough reason to come to Image. I knew Icon wasn't something Marvel could leave well enough alone for to long. Those upitty creators might get to thinking they can get successful on their own.

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No, that's entirely my point-- it's anecdotal because it's still all second-hand information (because you weren't there), and incomplete information at that. Even if you're getting correct numbers from posts by Millar himself, you're still relying on partial information unless the parties involved make every jot and tittle of their contracts publicly available.

We all speculate and guess about creators' situations -- based only on partial information -- and we do it all the time. We're not party to deals, but we speculate on them and form opinions and all of that. We all do it. But speculation is different from strongly-held, passionate judgments-- and my point was -- I can't bring myself to make the leap from speculation to harsh judgments when I know I don't have the whole picture.

You seem to have an axe to grind with Millar and take it as some kind of personal affront that Image would dare to continue working with him. If you're legitimately concerned that this is a bad thing for Image, then by all means, be concerned. It's rude comments like the following that belie that legitimacy:


Is that really what you believe? How is that kind of attitude helpful or productive to this conversation at all?


Lastly, I think it's rather telling that you respond to my "I might be wrong" comment by saying "Millar must have changed it over the years." Right -- because everything with Millar has to be a conspiracy? This couldn't possibly be a case of you misremembering? Or mishearing?


To the rest of the folks in the thread, my apologies. It was not my intention to assist in such a dramatic derail by fanning the troll flames. One would think I would have learned to avoid falling into these kinds of circular faux-discussion traps. As stated, I remain excited about the prospect of new creator-owned work from Quitely & Millar (especially Quitely), and I will return if/when this thread gets back on the rails. Sorry.

I'll just say I'm looking forward to the book and considering it hasn't even been solicited yet I'm not going to fret too much about them missing their schedule.

Agreed.

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