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 Post subject: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 4:36 am 
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So Liefeld has announced that his $35k+Kickstarter Free 'Brigade' book will be published through Image.

Given Liefeld's history and Kickstarter obligations I'd like to know why Image wanted to take on the Kickstarter responsibilities of printing and distributing this book.

Excluding 'Image United' the last/most recent 3 titles that Liefeld was to produce at Image never appeared after they were solicited ('Bloodstrike', 'The Infinite', 'Youngblood'). Why is Image willing to once again start promoting and publishing Liefeld vaporware?

Seeing as how the book never appeared in the May 2015 solicits, by June it will be almost 2 years late and Liefeld hasn't fulfilled 99% of the Kickstarter rewards yet; that involve newly printed sketchbooks, variant covers HC's etc.. Liefeld has committed himself to over 100K issues of the first oversized issue in his Kickstarter. Why does Image want to shoulder the responsibilty for this?

Liefeld promised his Kickstarter supporters throughout his Kickstarter and potential supporters in a series of interviews that 'Brigade' was the ONLY book he was working on and would LAUNCH his comeback/'new universe'. Now he's announced that he's been working on another book 'Bloodstrike' and that this book (which ties in to the 100k+ "free" 'Brigade') will in fact launch his comeback/'new universe'.

Liefeld still hasn't told his Kickstarter supporters that he's been working on a book other than the one they funded and that this book not 'Brigade' will be published first and won't be free.

Why is Image assisting Liefeld publish a book that he's lied to his funders about and has already set aside to work on a different book?

According to Liefeld, Eric Stephenson pursued publishing 'Brigade'. How many times does a creator have to screw over Image, his peers, retailers and now the very supporters who made this book possible before Image will say 'no thanks' to a creator who's constantly bailed on his obligations to Image and brings with this new title a whole set of obligations and promises outside of what Image usually involves itself with?

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:56 pm 
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You got some links and sources for that?

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:06 pm 
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Stefan wrote:
You got some links and sources for that?


Which part?

Image is publishing Brigade and Bloodstrike according to interviews Liefeld has given:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/thre ... low-Honest

Liefeld promised to print and distribute 100k free copies of an oversized Brigade 1 with the 35K+ he made from his Kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64 ... de-returns

His comments about Brigade being the only book he was working on which would launch his 'new universe' can be found throughout his Kickstarter updates and interviews promoting it, I can provide links and quotes if you need them.

You still won't find any mention of Bloodstrike anywhere on his Kickstarter page or updates or comments where 562 supporters gave him over $35,000 to fulfill his dream of launching his comeback with a Free Brigade, even though he was planning on self publishing issues to sell at the Amazing Arizona Con last weekend and throughout the rest of the year instead of Brigade.

Publishing Bloodstrike instead of Brigade with some or all of his supporters 35k allows Liefeld to pocket all the profit without having to honour any of his Kickstarter rewards for Brigade.

Liefeld says that Eric Stephenson/Image sought to publish Brigade in his Kickstarter Updates 40-42.

As an addendum Liefeld has just announced that the variant Image published Bloodstrike #1 will only be available directly from him; the first time iirc that Image has published a comic exclusively for the creator only to sell and in this case to benefit a creator who has screwed Image over repeatedly:
https://www.facebook.com/rob.liefeld/po ... nref=story
"The #98 variant homage will be only through me.... Yes"

It cetainly appears as if Image is facillitating Liefeld in ripping off his Kickstarter supporters by taking on the responsibility of his free Brigade commitments whilst also publishing Bloodstrike; a book that he has never mentioned it's existence in his Kickstarter updates, and thanks to image he'll be selling 'rare' copies of it directly to his fans while image are left promoting and marketing what's likely to be another vaporware product to dedicated Image customers.

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:00 pm 
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I don't know what brings you to the conclusion that Rob having worked on Bloodstrike means that his Brigade Kickstarter backers are somehow getting screwed.

Not sure why you think these projects are mutually exclusive, especially given the lead time.

Rob's been pretty good at keeping the Kickstarter backers in the loop and has been very open about the delays and the reason for them (creative differences with the initial colorist, who bailed on him), and finalizing publisher and printer contracts (Image wasn't a given).

It's not like Rob publishing Brigade through Image is somehow breaking his promise. The plan was never to self publish, so if it wasn't Image, it would've been another publisher. Why spread the Extreme titles all over the place if he didn't have to?

These books don't get printed for free, and Rob doesn't work for free. Don't think that because Image are the publisher, that nothing comes out of Rob's pocket (or Kickstarter revenue) to cover the costs associated with producing the book.

As far as Rob having exclusive covers that only he will sell - how is that any different than a retailer exclusive cover?

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:07 pm 
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murch wrote:
I don't know what brings you to the conclusion that Rob having worked on Bloodstrike means that his Brigade Kickstarter backers are somehow getting screwed.

Not sure why you think these projects are mutually exclusive, especially given the lead time.

Read my post.

Liefeld repeatedly told his supporters when trying to get them to donate and subsequently that he was 100% solely working on Brigade and that the book they gave him $35K+ to produce would launch his comeback/new universe/whatever.

He still hasn't told his Kickstarter supporters that he's now focused (all his current promotional efforts) on launching a book that they won't recieve any awards from or haven't even been made aware of.

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Rob's been pretty good at keeping the Kickstarter backers in the loop and has been very open about the delays and the reason for them (creative differences with the initial colorist, who bailed on him), and finalizing publisher and printer contracts (Image wasn't a given).


Not true. If you read the Kickstarter comments a lot of updates have only appeared as a result of requests for updates from supporters who were told months ago that the book was ready to go to press.

What he has been pretty good at is excuses; 5 different colourists, too many pages produced, various publishers chasing the book, conventions happening to soon to print it etc. etc.

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It's not like Rob publishing Brigade through Image is somehow breaking his promise. The plan was never to self publish, so if it wasn't Image, it would've been another publisher. Why spread the Extreme titles all over the place if he didn't have to?


The plan was actually to self publish at one stage, Rob said so.

Publishing Brigade through Image isn't Rob breaking his promise, Rob working on Bloodstrike instead of the only book he promised to be working on is, as is prioritising Bloodstrike ahead of the book folks paid $35K without anything to show for it.

Up until a month ago Liefeld was actually planning on self publishing Bloodstrike himself at the start of February and selling and promoting Bloodstrike whilst all his supporters were wondering where Brigade was.

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These books don't get printed for free, and Rob doesn't work for free. Don't think that because Image are the publisher, that nothing comes out of Rob's pocket (or Kickstarter revenue) to cover the costs associated with producing the book.


Actually Rob as per every other creator owned creator does work for free. He stated explicitly that the Kickstarter funds were ONLY to pay for the printing and distribution of the book.

The straightforward printing and distribution has become decidely murky because of Liefeld announcing he's printing Bloodstrike ahead of the book he pocketed $35K+ for and produced nothing for in response.

Liefeld committed to publishing over 100K free oversized Brigade #1, by becoming involved Image are now entangled in the chances of Liefeld not fulfilling his Kickstarter obligations and the possibility that he pocketed or diverted some of those funds himself if he doesn't fulfill his commitments and promises.

I'd like to know why Image is once again taking on printing and distributing books from a creator who time and time and time again has fucked them over and bailed on his reponsibilities.

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As far as Rob having exclusive covers that only he will sell - how is that any different than a retailer exclusive cover?

Can't imagine Image going out of their way to facillitate a Retailer with a stench of stolen funds from their customers who had bailed on them on 3 previous occasions.

But it seems that as the same time that Image are trying to build their reputation and relationship with retailers they're cool with facilitating a guy who's fucked them over on multiple occasions, using money falsly taken from Kickstarter supporters to also produce a variant that won't be available to retailers.

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 1:00 am 
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Uhm...

Why are you even asking this, Mikey?

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Given Liefeld's history and Kickstarter obligations I'd like to know why Image wanted to take on the Kickstarter responsibilities of printing and distributing this book.


Well given Liefeld's history, wouldn't the better question be why did anybody fund his kickstarter in the first place?

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:45 am 
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BrightRaven wrote:
Uhm...

Why are you even asking this, Mikey?

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Given Liefeld's history and Kickstarter obligations I'd like to know why Image wanted to take on the Kickstarter responsibilities of printing and distributing this book.


Image Supporter asking Image a reasonable question on an Image Forum; why not?

More specifically; why are Image devoting/diverting their resources to a creator who has constantly screwed them and their customers over and has already bailed on his commitment to the book 'Brigade' before the first issue has been solicited.

Liefeld's 'Brigade' Kickstarter already has a cloud of financial mis-appropriation around it and by taking on the Printing and distribution responsibilities of that Image is now a willing participant in what has the potential to be one of the highest profile examples of a creator using Kickstarter to steal tens of thousands of dollars from supporters.

It's all about optics and Liefeld has proven himself adept at shoving the blame for failure onto others.

Liefeld commited to printing and distributing 100K+ free issues of an oversized first issue of Brigade with the funds raised, if Image (who haven't answered even one of my straightforward queries) don't meet that they're party to questions over where a chunk of the $35,343 was diverted to. Sure they can say 'it's nothing to do with them, ask Liefeld' but they've been alerted to this in advance and you can be sure where Liefeld will be pointing the finger.

It's dissappointing when Image is making such a concerted effort to rightfully consolidate it's reputation as a publisher with retailers and fans that they're also showing they, or rather Eric Stephenson based on Liefeld's account, have one rule for Liefeld and another for everyone else who hopes to become part of Image.

BrightRaven wrote:
Well given Liefeld's history, wouldn't the better question be why did anybody fund his kickstarter in the first place?

More money than sense?

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
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You STILL on that crusade, Mikey?

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
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Querying why Image would want to carry the can on Liefeld's fraudulent Kickstarter?

This is a new crusade!

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 Post subject: Re: Question for Image re: Standards & Liefeld's Kickstarter
PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:49 am 
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Mikey wrote:
Querying why Image would want to carry the can on Liefeld's fraudulent Kickstarter?

This is a new crusade!

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It is only fraudulent if he fails to fulfill his promises. Which doesn't seem to be the case here yet. Right now he is just late in delivering the product and rewards. Which, in my experience, is pretty typical of every kickstarter project I've backed.

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