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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:59 am 
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There are more superhero books out there, that doesnt use nudity, porn or extreme violence, so your book is a minority.

We already have enough all ages books...do you want to be one more of them? No, you are not and i dont think we need more all ages books.


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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:07 am 
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In addition to what I wrote in my Facebook reply (expressing concern over retailers bagging TSD issues on the racks), I want to say that the biggest difference between what anyone can find on the internet vs what they can find in your comics is the simple fact that you the creator are the one drawing the images so any adult stuff will automatically be better if it's from you.

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:14 pm 
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Erik Larsen wrote:
FuMaku wrote:
I don't see any indication of a Mature label anywhere on the latest issue (220) nor on the latest Walking Dead (163). A random customer would have no way of knowing how the book is rated as it stands. What's the point with having a rating if it has zero presence on the product?
It's on the UPC which retailers look at when books are scanned in. It's not a major presence, I'll grant you, but it's there.


On issues of Dragon, at least, you can find the rating on the back cover.

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:13 pm 
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While I am in the minority on this one, I do not see a need for it.

You have always straddled that line in the book and I thought there was a good balance of pushing that envelope and not giving in completely. It feels like the more that you give in, the more sensationalism has to be attached to the next thing. I know you are not doing this for the purpose of a gimmick, but it just feels like something that will eventually escalate over time. I always pictured Savage Dragon being a Mature book as much for the violence as the sex.

Personally, I was not a fan of the 3-some/4-some experience but that has developed into a good story line out of it. I would have preferred for some of that to have been implied and off panel leaving some of it to the readers imagination. Maybe I am just an old prude. I actually loved how in 220 you kept conveniently covering up Angel in all of her awkward positions.

Just my two cents -

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:07 pm 
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Ultimately--you vote with your wallet. This isn't something being voted on here by readers--I'm just airing my thought process.

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:09 am 
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michaeljsmith wrote:
I actually loved how in 220 you kept conveniently covering up Angel in all of her awkward positions.


And yet 220 actually did have some nudity, right? I don't mean the final scene with Maxine, I mean page 13 (Angel "wh-what"). Or was that just an issue of the colorist

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
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dishpan wrote:
And yet 220 actually did have some nudity, right? I don't mean the final scene with Maxine, I mean page 13 (Angel "wh-what"). Or was that just an issue of the colorist
Sharp eye.

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:36 am 
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I say go for it.... but then I've been reading underground comix since I was 14.
I'll admit I was a little disturbed by S. Clay Wilson's graphic depictions of the human condition at first but stuff like Corben's Den, for example, seemed natural to me.
Thinking about it realistically Super heroes, acting the way they do with impervious skin and perfect physiques, would, in the 'real' end up naked more often than not and they most likely would not care.

Also if you did decide to go 'balls-out', even just for one experimental issue, a bunch of butt-hurt fan-boy prudes whining online about sex and violence would hardly hurt sales I imagine.


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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:30 am 
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JasonAtomic wrote:
I say go for it.... but then I've been reading underground comix since I was 14.
I'll admit I was a little disturbed by S. Clay Wilson's graphic depictions of the human condition at first but stuff like Corben's Den, for example, seemed natural to me.
Thinking about it realistically Super heroes, acting the way they do with impervious skin and perfect physiques, would, in the 'real' end up naked more often than not and they most likely would not care.

Also if you did decide to go 'balls-out', even just for one experimental issue, a bunch of butt-hurt fan-boy prudes whining online about sex and violence would hardly hurt sales I imagine.
I don't know why I bother asking. I pretty much just do whatever I want. If everybody was against it I'd probably still just do what I want and let everybody squirm.

There are, of course, numerous approaches to the subject. S. Clay Wilson's approach was very "warts and all" with no effort made to make things look at all beautiful or appealing. Sex was a dirty act when S. Clay Wilson was drawing it. Richard Corben''s Den was the polar opposite. Sex was not clearly depicted but nudity was there throughout and characters were smooth, hairless and clean. Some artists can make nudity and sex a glorious, beautiful thing--others make it look grotesque.

So, in a way, it's not a fair question because you're left to your own imaginations to decide what I could possibly be talking about. But I would think I'd fall more on the Richard Corden extreme than the S. Clay Wilson extreme.

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 Post subject: Re: Should/could there be nudity in Savage Dragon?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:39 am 
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dishpan wrote:
In addition to what I wrote in my Facebook reply (expressing concern over retailers bagging TSD issues on the racks), I want to say that the biggest difference between what anyone can find on the internet vs what they can find in your comics is the simple fact that you the creator are the one drawing the images so any adult stuff will automatically be better if it's from you.


Did you mean bagging as in polybagging or simply not putting them on the shelves? Because I have yet to find a comic shop in Oregon that stocks current issues of SD. I have to special order mine. Fuckers.

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